Comments on: Local 33 camps outside Woodbridge Hall for hunger strike https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/ The Oldest College Daily Tue, 02 May 2017 16:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Jawaralal_Schwartz https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55840 Tue, 02 May 2017 16:11:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55840 Why does Loc 33 get so much ink? Grad students exist to be exploited, and then they are expected to exploit others. They get a great package at Yale, compared to other schools. They need to stop bellyaching before they are taken as fountains of charges of micro aggressions and have Snowflake signs glued onto their backs.

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By: deBlitz1000 https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55813 Mon, 01 May 2017 01:58:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55813 Hey just pay them 50 bucks an hour and take away all the freebies

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By: Hieronymus Machine https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55786 Sat, 29 Apr 2017 12:56:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55786 Inferentially (or at least tangentially) related:
AEI (dot) org economist Mark Perry (Carpe Diem blog) links today to a Laffer study that found

“When the [50 U.S.] states are ranked, an interesting pattern emerges: the top 14 states with the [*]best[*] economic outlooks this year are all right-to-work states, and the bottom 17 states with the [*]worst[*] economic outlook are all forced-union states.”

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By: ShadrachSmith https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55769 Fri, 28 Apr 2017 23:39:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55769 Go for Salovey’s office better ambiance and private toilet.

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By: Hieronymus Machine https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55711 Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:07:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55711 In reply to Capital Magpie.

Honest, thoughtful piece. I often find myself wishing — when ppl claim “violence” (from words or “thoughts”) or play up “intersectionality” or victim status or claim that Salovey is in bed with Trump (?!) — that we could just sit down and have… a conversation. My experience has been that when I microagress with (what I consider) rational questions such as “what are you really saying?” defenses are up instantly and the accusations let fly (or, in the worse case, the speaker is *actually* clueless).

“I know many people who are pro union..passionate and well-meaning… their heart is in the right place. But also are large swaths who range from uneasy with the unionization tactics to staunchly anti-union.” I agree with you. I think it’s a bit like “Animal Farm.” IMO, the “well-meaning” are being exploited by their more-equals and, more obviously, UNITE HERE (Benjamin$). I find it instructive to see where past GESO leaders have ended up (it ain’t the academy), which may inform some of their motives.

“Happy to learn more, and I’ll talk to the folks camping out to hear more of their story.” Good luck. In my experience, asking questions of GESO just invites (incites?) tag-team “coffees” and apt. visits to re-educate the not-done ant (“Everything not forbidden is compulsory.”)

Again, though, I liked you note, and you likely speak for many.

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By: Capital Magpie https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55694 Fri, 28 Apr 2017 02:35:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55694 As a current graduate student, this is what I find especially frustrating about the situation. The “selling point” of a union is that it can pursue *effective legal action* against Yale. At least, I’ve tried my best to educate myself about the unionization effort, and that is the main answer I’ve gotten at their info sessions. What can a union do that GSA cannot? Well, the downside might be that the Union costs ~$600-$900 a year, but the upside is that this affords lawyers who can actually negotiate with the school!

This is why this hunger strike is so frustrating to see. I was told the whole point of the union was that it could engage with Yale on legal grounds! If its role is one of general advocacy, why do we need to bring in an outside organization, and pay yearly dues? The GSA, or simply students themselves, can already effectively do that.

I do *understand* on some level the reasoning behind these tactics. This article recognizes that unfortunately, Yale has a variety of legal tactics left at its disposal, and this process will likely take a lot of time. I do understand the frustration, but isn’t that the point of the legal system? Labor negotiations aren’t simple, nor are they short. I honestly took that for granted. If the point of the union is to engage with Yale on legal grounds, this is a worrying start.

One of my biggest concerns about the union is that it feels like it represents outside pressures more than it represents us graduate students ourselves. As a throwaway example, note that the petition for Salovey to negotiate with the union got 12,000 signatures. That’s an impressive show of support, but the entire graduate student body is ~3,000 students, and only a few hundred are currently part of this union. I know they’re not trying to pretend those signatures are from union members, but it just feels emblematic of how much of this fight seems to be about forces much larger than the actual graduate students themselves. I have no desire to be sucked into a struggle between UNITE HERE and Yale that has been going on for longer than my tenure at the school, one that I don’t fully understand.

This ties in because the union didn’t actually *ask* its constituents for input on this move. My concern has always been that the union is too heavily influenced by interests beyond its graduate student constituents, and this seems like a very troubling example. These drastic actions are being taken without any input from the people that the union represents. If the union could clearly articulate the specific reasons why challenging Yale on legal grounds won’t work, I would much prefer that. They could explain “The problem is that Yale can challenge X result, can pursue Y legal action, and these legal challenges will take up to Z months. We think it will be more effective if we resort to more extreme advocacy, what do our members think.” That’s what I would hope a union could do explain the complex legal situation to us in a clear way, and work with our input. Instead, the promotional video makes an effective emotional plea, with little substance. There’s no explanation of exactly what challenges Yale is using, the time line of what that looks like, or any of that. And there certainly was no looking for input from their constituents.

I readily admit my ignorance on this topic. And while I’m sure folks are tired of being obligated to educate people on some topic they don’t understand, in my defense, I really really have tried to learn the details of this unionization effort. I’ve been to the info sessions, talked to pro union folk, and scoured their websites for any details that I can. I know many people who are pro union, and they are passionate and well meaning people. I truly mean it when I say that I respect their efforts, and that their heart is in the right place. But I also have to say that there are large swathes of graduate students who range from uneasy with the unionization tactics to staunchly anti-union. These voices are often less widely heard, due to apathy, or the fact that they feel a fair amount of social pressure from pro-union folk (i.e. I hear plenty of anti-union talk in my department, where that is the norm and accepted, and very little in some social groups, where a majority are pro union). The union can and should cite their clear victories in several departments, but those departments weren’t chosen at random. They openly say how they wanted to start with the departments with the greatest interest in unionizing, as they should. But I don’t want people to think that it’s as simple as “Grad students vs Yale”, and that many departments feel otherwise (I can safely say that my department is pretty against unionization… it just really varies based on culture, work structure, etc).

tldr: Not pleased with this move. I’d be happy to learn more, and I’ll go and talk to the folks camping out directly to hear more of their side of the story, but I’m not pleased with the union’s tactics so far.

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By: JClimacus https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55679 Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:26:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55679 As an alum of the College and the Grad School, who served as a TA for others and an acting Instructor in courses of my own devising, I recognize the force of arguments on different sides of the grad student union question. The university’s refusal to recognize and negotiate with Local 33 may be both unwise and wrong. (I need to know more before I’ll feel warranted in judging the matter.) But a hunger strike — with its call to others, “See what I am willing to risk, how I am willing to suffer rather than yield to injustice” — seems a wildly exaggerated tactic in view of the claims and goods at stake in the dispute. The circumstances and cause of Yale graduate students are not on a par with those of Becky Edelsohn, Cesar Chavez, Alice Paul, Mohandas Gandhi, or others whose readiness to go on a hunger strike are rightly celebrated. Come on.

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By: Hieronymus Machine https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55672 Thu, 27 Apr 2017 14:28:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55672 “16 graduate students were detained and charged … after they blocked the entrance to [Yale Prez] Salovey’s annual Bulldog Days speech in Woolsey Hall.”

See? I’m tellin’ ya, Yalies: yer TAs resent y’all (and y’alls’ “privilege”) IMO, their low self-regard helps feed this union (aka mediocracy) drive. Rilly.

“‘It’s absurd,’ [said] Duke Law professor Dan Bowling.”

“At the Beinecke P[izza] encampment the eight [hunger-strikers] sat with blank[ies] listening to music and sipping from water bottles.”

Compare with nearby article, “Startup Yale sees high level of female entrepreneurship,” as well as with undergrad startups cultivated via YEI. It’s YDN juxtaposing champs ‘n chumps, diamonds and dross, makers and takers, etc.

P.S. [trigger warning] I’mma go get me a bagel ‘n coffee; anyone hungry?

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By: L Redleaf https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/04/27/local-33-camps-outside-woodbridge-hall/#comment-55668 Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:57:00 +0000 https://yaledailynews.com/?p=140854#comment-55668 I am a parent who traveled across the country for Bulldog Days.

I, along with other parents were frustrated. Yale graduate students are not an oppressed group. For them to block parents and their children, who are celebrating admission to Yale, was an act of selfishness.

These students should be reprimanded.

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